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2 Long out of print Andre Norton books back in print!
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Sissyboy
2009-09-06 12:07:40 UTC
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2 Long out of print Andre Norton books back in print!

You can find them at Black Cat Books:

Key out of Time
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/key-out-of-time/7626772


Plague Ship
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/plague-ship/7626706
James Nicoll
2009-09-06 15:49:27 UTC
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Post by Sissyboy
2 Long out of print Andre Norton books back in print!
Key out of Time
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/key-out-of-time/7626772
Plague Ship
http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/plague-ship/7626706
Or here, for free:

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/16921
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19651
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Richard Kennaway
2009-09-07 21:40:08 UTC
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Post by James Nicoll
Post by Sissyboy
2 Long out of print Andre Norton books back in print!
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/16921
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/19651
The same poster has posted a similar ad in soc.history.war, again of
books available on Gutenberg. Apparently he's thought up the scam of
publishing out-of-copyright books through Lulu.

If I wanted a print copy, I wouldn't trust these offerings to be
anything but a paper dump of Gutenberg's web pages.
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Richard Kennaway
unknown
2009-09-06 23:45:54 UTC
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Post by Sissyboy
2 Long out of print Andre Norton books back in print!
In what way are they "long out of print"? I bought new copies last year,
published by Baen. Baen also have anthologies of the Time Traders series
(including Defiant Agents and Key Out of Time"). In fact Baen seem to
have dedicated some effort to publishing each of Andre Norton's works.

Not only do they publish print and eBooks but they also permit reading
of the entire text on their website. Several Norton ebooks are also
available for free download.
Sissyboy
2009-09-08 21:28:48 UTC
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Well Richard, you certainly have some pretty strong opinions there. Maybe
you've had a bad experience with a Print on Demand publisher in the past, or
maybe you're just one of those people that likes to run their neck about a
product without actually looking at it.

The truth of the matter is that someone can find out of copyright books on
the web. They can go through the hassle and download it and read it via
their computer, or go through the hassle and expense of printing it up
themselves at home. Of course one using the self printing option will find
out rather quickly that many times it isn't as nearly as pretty coming out
of your printer as it was on the computer screen.

That is where someone like me comes in. I find books that I and others I
know like or want. I clean up the text, edit as needed, usually reformat the
layout to some degree, and as in the case of "Attack" locate and add public
domain photographs and a significant amout of appendixed background
material. Ater those hours are invested, I go through the process to have
all that material turned into a real book that can sit on ones shelf.
Considering my profit margin is about $1 a book, and I expect 10 or less
books of any given title to be bought by people I know, that means my, what
was the word you used, yeah "scam", that's the word. My "scam" garners me a
whopping $10. Wow, look out folks, I have discovered a gold mine here!

Of course my profit margin increases if people I don't know buy my books,
but really, how many are actually going to do it. Let's be real, in the
unlikely event I were to sell a hundred copies of these books to people I
don't know (which is highly unlikely), that means I have made $100 in return
for the 4 to 20 hours I spend on each title. Considering that "scam"
connatates getting something for nothing, I'm not seeing where I have
garnered "something for nothing". In fact the end of the stick I'm holding
is awful short.

I know guys like Richard can't fathom the basic concept I operate under, but
for the benifit of everyone else I'll spell it out.

I like the feel of a book. A real book, not something from my printer that
has been stapled together. The books I chose are ones I remember as a
youngster, or are of a subject that interests me. The common thread
throughtout my selections is that a large publisher will never put them back
in print again. I fill that gap, and I do it with quality, not just a simple
"page dump".

In the end I really don't care if anyone outside my sphere buys any of the
titles that I have ressurected because I already have accomplished what I
set out to do. I can go to my bookshelf, pull down a book that I have
breathed life back into, and enjoy the feel of the pages between my fingers
as I read it.

As far as posting anymore announcements on this group, we'll have to see. If
all it garners is snipes by trolls who have not even bothered touching the
product before they start talking out of their asses, I won't bother.
unknown
2009-09-09 16:37:54 UTC
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Post by Sissyboy
As far as posting anymore announcements on this group, we'll have to see.
If all it garners is snipes by trolls who have not even bothered touching
the product before they start talking out of their asses, I won't bother.
Why is it that spammers always think they have a God-given right to
spam? Any why do they assume that the rest of the world is as gullible
as they are?
Bill Swears
2009-09-09 18:15:52 UTC
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Post by Sissyboy
As far as posting anymore announcements on this group, we'll have to see.
If all it garners is snipes by trolls who have not even bothered touching
the product before they start talking out of their asses, I won't bother.
Why is it that spammers always think they have a God-given right to
spam? Any why do they assume that the rest of the world is as gullible
as they are?
Steve,

I regret having to say that I read this whole thread. I don't think
Sissyboy's post was intended as spam, and I have seen some very
professional renditions of public domain books out of Lulu. I've even
seen some small presses issue print runs of public domain books for
exactly the reasons Sissyboy gave.

Sissyboy,

This newsgroup is a catchall for rec.arts.sf groups. As far as I know,
it doesn't have a terms of use agreement, and it isn't used for anything
but overflow. In example, rec.arts.sf.composition uses it for volatile
threads that are pissing off too many contributors and only of interest
to a few. That means that you're likely to get flamed, but also that
you're perfectly justified to use the space for advertising. However,
I've seen this newsgroup go for literally months with absolutely no
posts, so your value probably won't be as great as all that.

Bill
--
Living on the polemic may be temporarily satisfying, but it will raise
your blood-pressure, and gives you tunnel vision.
Sissyboy
2009-09-10 04:08:57 UTC
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Thank you Bill.

As far as not geeting a great deal of exposure, that's fine with me. I've
reached that age that when a project becomes a hassle it goes away. And a
high profile usually results in a lot of hassle. My day job is my day job,
everything else I do is for enjoyment.

Since it sounds like you get around maybe you could do me a favor.

I need an opinion that does not come from family or friends about the
product of my enterprise. And I mean a true, honest opinion concerning the
technical aspects. Things like type face, format, production quality from
LuLu, stuff like that. Like I said, it needs to be honest, and of tangible
things that I can improve on in furture releases.

If you're interested, I'll send you one of my books, on my dime, your
choice. "Attack" is the one I'm most happy about, and I think shows off best
the level of quality that I have reached to this point. But like I said,
your choice. All I want in return is your honest opinion about what can be
improved. Whether you share that opinion with others is up to you.
Post by Bill Swears
Post by unknown
Post by Sissyboy
As far as posting anymore announcements on this group, we'll have to see.
If all it garners is snipes by trolls who have not even bothered touching
the product before they start talking out of their asses, I won't bother.
Why is it that spammers always think they have a God-given right to
spam? Any why do they assume that the rest of the world is as gullible
as they are?
Steve,
I regret having to say that I read this whole thread. I don't think
Sissyboy's post was intended as spam, and I have seen some very
professional renditions of public domain books out of Lulu. I've even
seen some small presses issue print runs of public domain books for
exactly the reasons Sissyboy gave.
Sissyboy,
This newsgroup is a catchall for rec.arts.sf groups. As far as I know, it
doesn't have a terms of use agreement, and it isn't used for anything but
overflow. In example, rec.arts.sf.composition uses it for volatile
threads that are pissing off too many contributors and only of interest to
a few. That means that you're likely to get flamed, but also that you're
perfectly justified to use the space for advertising. However, I've seen
this newsgroup go for literally months with absolutely no posts, so your
value probably won't be as great as all that.
Bill
--
Living on the polemic may be temporarily satisfying, but it will raise
your blood-pressure, and gives you tunnel vision.
Bill Swears
2009-09-10 08:15:34 UTC
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***@alaska.net didn't work. "message failed, user unknown."
Why don't you try mine at ***@gci.net?

Bill
Post by Sissyboy
Thank you Bill.
As far as not geeting a great deal of exposure, that's fine with me.
I've reached that age that when a project becomes a hassle it goes away.
And a high profile usually results in a lot of hassle. My day job is my
day job, everything else I do is for enjoyment.
Since it sounds like you get around maybe you could do me a favor.
I need an opinion that does not come from family or friends about the
product of my enterprise. And I mean a true, honest opinion concerning
the technical aspects. Things like type face, format, production quality
from LuLu, stuff like that. Like I said, it needs to be honest, and of
tangible things that I can improve on in furture releases.
If you're interested, I'll send you one of my books, on my dime, your
choice. "Attack" is the one I'm most happy about, and I think shows off
best the level of quality that I have reached to this point. But like I
said, your choice. All I want in return is your honest opinion about
what can be improved. Whether you share that opinion with others is up
to you.
Post by Bill Swears
Post by unknown
Post by Sissyboy
As far as posting anymore announcements on this group, we'll have to see.
If all it garners is snipes by trolls who have not even bothered touching
the product before they start talking out of their asses, I won't bother.
Why is it that spammers always think they have a God-given right to
spam? Any why do they assume that the rest of the world is as gullible
as they are?
Steve,
I regret having to say that I read this whole thread. I don't think
Sissyboy's post was intended as spam, and I have seen some very
professional renditions of public domain books out of Lulu. I've even
seen some small presses issue print runs of public domain books for
exactly the reasons Sissyboy gave.
Sissyboy,
This newsgroup is a catchall for rec.arts.sf groups. As far as I
know, it doesn't have a terms of use agreement, and it isn't used for
anything but overflow. In example, rec.arts.sf.composition uses it
for volatile threads that are pissing off too many contributors and
only of interest to a few. That means that you're likely to get
flamed, but also that you're perfectly justified to use the space for
advertising. However, I've seen this newsgroup go for literally
months with absolutely no posts, so your value probably won't be as
great as all that.
Bill
--
Living on the polemic may be temporarily satisfying, but it will raise
your blood-pressure, and gives you tunnel vision.
--
Living on the polemic may be temporarily satisfying, but it will raise
your blood-pressure, and gives you tunnel vision.
Sissyboy
2009-09-09 20:24:54 UTC
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Between you and Richard, I can see why this group is dead.
Post by unknown
Post by Sissyboy
As far as posting anymore announcements on this group, we'll have to see.
If all it garners is snipes by trolls who have not even bothered touching
the product before they start talking out of their asses, I won't bother.
Why is it that spammers always think they have a God-given right to
spam? Any why do they assume that the rest of the world is as gullible
as they are?
Richard Kennaway
2009-09-09 21:30:15 UTC
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Post by Sissyboy
I like the feel of a book. A real book, not something from my printer that
has been stapled together. The books I chose are ones I remember as a
youngster, or are of a subject that interests me. The common thread
throughtout my selections is that a large publisher will never put them back
in print again. I fill that gap, and I do it with quality, not just a simple
"page dump".
That may all be as you say, and I hope it is. If so, my apologies.
It's just that since the Internet reached the masses, there is no end to
the schemes dreamt up to leech on the attention of the millions. Just
the other day I came across someone publishing "books" on Amazon of
reprinted Wikipedia articles. (I haven't seen them, but the people
reviewing them on Amazon have.) There's someone else who produces
computer-generated "books" by trawling the Internet for data on things
like the market in onion futures in Lower Slovenia. There may even be
someone, somewhere, dumping Gutenberg pages onto paper and selling them
through Lulu.

Such is the world we live in. Anything that looks like it could be a
scam will have an uphill struggle to be taken seriously.

http://xkcd.com/570/
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Richard Kennaway
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